Tuesday, October 27, 2009

Making Disciples

What is church all about...? Why do we "do" church...? Is what we're doing really church at all...?


Christ's commission to the church, to us, was to "go into all the world and make disciples." But what does that mean? The word disciples come from a root concept that's very similar to apprenticship. We're to make apprentices of our family, and our friends, and then influence them to join us on the adventure of drawing closer to Christ.


Think about Christ's own example... He gathered a group around himself and lived life with them... what I call "doing life together..." They were on an adventure together learning everything He had to teach them. Learning to do things just as He did them so that when He was gone they could carry on.


An inescapable reality in that model is spending time together... on a mission... or doing a set of tasks. That's what we're supposed to call others to... to spend time with us learning how to follow our Rabbi.


That begs a number of questions... Do we have room in our lives and hearts to spend that kind of time with people? Have we crammed our lives so full trivialities, or even good stuff, that we just don't have time to build into the lives and hearts of other people? Are we even living close enough to God's heart that we could transfer redemptive "kingdom stuff" into their lives if we took the time?


I'm asking those questions to convict us... Not to condemn. I want to excite your imagination for what could be! Imagine doing church the way the first-century church did... Imagine a group of friends who do everything TOGETHER.. Who meet for meals and homework TOGETHER every night... Who rake each others leaves TOGETHER.. Repair each others plumbing leaks TOGETHER... Fix each others cars TOGETHER... Sing, laugh and cry TOGETHER. Imagine a group where everybody knows your name and cares about your day... Where your kids are valued and encouraged by adults other than their teachers and parents... where you can share your hurts, joys, triumphs and failures with a group that is "for" you. Wouldn't you love to be a part of that group... Isn't that, on some level, what Christ modeled and what the Trinity is really like?


That's a picture of what the local church should be... no, MUST be... if it's to be a force in the kingdom Christ came to bring. It takes more than showing up for an hour on the weekend and saying "How's it going? Fine..." to everyone you haven't seen since last weekend. Church and love are both spelled the same way in our hearts and lives... T-I-M-E! If all you want from church is a one hour "God-fix" to round out your week... you're missing the heart and soul of what Christ came to show us... and what He died to make possible.


Church is about living in the kingdom and having the kingdom living in us... Here and Now! When we're "doing that life together" with all our heart, soul, mind and strength... and inviting everyone we meet into that experience... We'll be a beacon and a magnet for people far from God AND for people who are in the process of being discipled. How could we aspire to anything greater? How can we settle, even one more minute, for anything less?!


There's the vision... God's vision for the church. Now, what can YOU do to make that a living breathing reality in your community of faith?


Talk amongst yourselves... That's a start ;-)

Wednesday, February 25, 2009

Looking for Utopia

Have you noticed that many of those pushing us toward socialism or collectivism are those who produce nothing of value for which they should be compensated? 


Instead of moving from their dream-world of intellectual or moral superiority... toward a life of genuine productivity... they seek to take the money that other earn, by political and social means, ... in effect to seize, at the point of the government gun, the money for which truly productive citizens work so hard. They call this a progressive movement... Hope and change... a better future.


Progress is NEVER forcefully taking the fruits of one mans labor and giving it to another who has not earned it... that's called robbery! 


Hope is at the core of any nation's productivity... what gets us up in the morning, and off to work in our chosen career, is the hope that, by working diligently, we can make our lives and our future better. 


As we do that we look around and see others struggling to do the same thing for their families and we're moved to hire them or recommend them to a friend who has a job opening. When the wages we earn are at OUR disposal, instead of being confiscated by our government, we give to the poor... we give to the sick... we support community hospitals and the needs of orphans abroad. The American public has a long and rich history of helping the world when it's in need.


When the government gets involved and places a burden of taxation to "redistribute the wealth..." we get the feeling that we "already gave at the office" because we did! Why do we begrudge the gifts when they are government mandated? I'd suggest it's because the "soul" is removed from the equation. We don't get to shake the hand of the people we help... or see the good our love and generosity have done. We don't get to use our ingenuity to help them make their life better. The "love" part of the equation is short-circuited and displaced onto the government.


We've seen it play out everywhere it's been tried... an elitist "governing class" emerges to "manage the affairs" of those who produce wealth and those who produce noting. The entitlement class emerges... populated by those who will not take responsibility for their own needs... whose votes increase the power of the governing class at the expense of the working class.


But what about the wealthy you ask... where do they fit in? They are all in the working class! 


I have never met a lazy rich person. They sometimes have lazy children, but anybody I've ever know who had wealth worked hard to get it, invest it, and keep it. The idea of an indolent wealthy class of robber-barons is a fallacy generated by socialist intellectuals, writers and the erstwhile governing class, to pit those who will work against those who won't work.


We're on the verge of a class war in the US that will fundamentally change our way of life forever. The saddest thing about that is the truth that we've been systematically duped into believing that our freedoms were being protected by our government.


All the while they have been selling our freedom for their own power grabbing ends... 


I'm not sure the iPod generation can produce another Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson or John Adams. But we can hope...


How does all this impact worship you might well ask... It has a parallel in the sense that there are two kinds of "worshippers" as well.


I've been leading worship for two classes of people for many years... those who enter in and share in the moments we're creating together... and those who critique and show distain for what others work so hard to produce. If you're involved in worship you've met these two classes and wondered how the same service can impact two people groups so differently. I'd suggest it comes down to the entitlement mentality again.


People who bring a heart of gratefulness to God can find joy in worship... regardless of the style or form it takes. Those who are putting in their time in hope of someone else providing their "blessing" will always come away wondering what was wrong... 


I've determined to be a worship producer as long as I'm breathing... The presence of God is too wonderful a thing to ignore... and an even more tragic thing to grieve away.



Monday, February 23, 2009

Where My Thoughts Are Trending...

I've spent a fair amount of time, over the past 6 months, trying to wrap my head and heart around the concept of what a "missional church" really looks like. I firmly believe that we're in a growing global crisis... and that Jesus is the answer to whatever questions we're wrestling with.

That being said, how do we "be Jesus" or even represent Him well to our post-modern, post-Christian culture? Do we continue to do our church life as usual... hoping that He'll bring people to our churches to learn of Christ from us? Do we focus our efforts on building a "better mousetrap" and hope that the mice will "beat a path to our door?"

I think we need to go undercover a bit... To be Christ-followers cleverly disguised as school-teachers, or airline pilots, sign-makers or computer programmers. What if we showed interest in the people of our community and what they're interested in...? Wouldn't that be acting as "salt and light..." agents of change that can infiltrate our communities and make redemptive relationships with the "not yet Followers of Jesus?"

The church I serve is located in the downtown  corridor of one of the most affluent suburban communities in our part of the state. The students from the local elementary and middle-schools literally walk across our parking lot after school, on their way to hang out at Panera Bread or Greater's Ice Cream Shop.

What if we could grab their attention by appealing to their interests and build relationships that would allow us the "relationship capital" to introduce them to Jesus? For some reason, God has brought our congregation a bunch of artists... We have musical, visual, technical, and electronic artists... many of them skilled in more than one discipline.

What if we used our facilities, and our people to reach out to the kids by developing a "School of Contemporary Arts" for K-12 age students. We could teach music lessons and mentor the kids to play in bands. We could have kids who are interested in electronic media... video, audio, the web, etc. build their skills under our mentorship and at the same time serve the church by envisioning and completing projects that could be used in worship and outreach. We could have kids help to design creative spaces and paint and decorate them... The ideas are as endless as the imagination can grasp.

We'd be building lasting quality relationships with kids in their areas of passion and watching for the opening to plant a "Christ seed" in their hearts.

It's a huge "Big Hairy Audacious Goal..." but what a blast it could be, and what a great way to connect with the kids from the community at an age when Christ-following role models can have such an impact.

For me it was the influence of mentors who challenged me to "Dream Big" that kept me focused on Christ and doing what he wired me up to do. I'd like to "pay that forward," if I can, and use that time-tested method to add freshly-saved kids to our congregation and mission.

Pray for me as I start to plant the seeds of vision for this mission. If you can support or contribute time and expertise, let me know. If you can contribute funds, let me know.

The mid-west suburban world is a "hard nut to crack"... the locals have pretty much everything they need, except Jesus... But the do have interest and passion for the arts. I think that's a hook that can help us be better "fishers of men."

Pick the idea apart and let me know what you see and how we can structure it most effectively... or if it's totally "off the wall," let me know that and why you think it is.

I'm excited about the concept but want the council of many to keep me wise!

Friday, August 22, 2008

Still Crazy After All These Years...


Yesterday was my 25th anniversary... it was my wife's 25th too. That may sound like a silly thing to say, but it resonates in my heart and brings out a flood of thoughts and emotions.

Only 27 years ago, we didn't know each other existed. We each had hopes of finding that "special someone" but we were fully unaware of the actual existence of that person. Now as I sit at my cluttered desk, in the home we share with our two boys, I can't imagine what life would have been without her.

During our 25 years together we've finished our college courses, built careers, shared vision and done extraordinary things with God and with people we met and learned to love.

We buried Heidi's mom just a couple years into our marriage, after a two year battle with cancer. The questions, differences and recriminations surrounding that season tore apart the fabric of her family in a way that has never been mended.

We've been through financial stresses, largely as a result of my passion for excellence in ministry and my endless pushing for better, faster, and bigger tools and goals to bring people closer to God. We've opened our home to friends and freeloaders at all stages of their journey toward (and sometimes, sadly, away from) wholeness.

We've survived my own battle with kidney cancer... When the ER doc said "get your house in order" and it seemed like what we'd had 'till then was all we'd get.

We've navigated the pain of past sexual abuse and of bringing that out in the open with hope of healing... only to have it further destroy family relationships and lead to litigation and estrangement.

We've parented two amazing sons who, in spite of our best efforts to screw up, have turned into fine, responsible young men. Guys just bursting with a desire to explore and conquer the wisdom of the world around them and in their own hearts. As a family we've been renovators and builders... militants and pacifists... we've been confident and confused... ecstatic and dejected... Purposeful and aimless... triumphant and beaten down... indigent and comfortable...

She's been the mirror for my soul at times when my desire was to hide and blame... asking me the tough questions that burrowed through the anger or ambivalence to find the heart of my struggle... And to tease my heart and soul into seeking clarity instead of expedience... purpose instead of my familiar "knee-jerk" responses.

She's made hard decisions easier by nudging me to follow my heart and listen to God. She's saved me from countless, "personal excursions" into areas of interest that might derail me from my calling.

Together we walked away from the religious denomination of our origin... with all it's comfortable, familiar structures and social networks... it's neatly packaged theology... and simple answers to everything (except the important questions WE wrestled with...) Into the unknown of life with God outside of man-made religio-political machinations. We've faced incidental and monumental questions of faith and integrity, truth and dogma, purpose and practice, meaning and madness, failure and success... and learned to seek God in defining and right-sizing all those realities.

At times I still feel like I barely know her... Life hands us new twists and turns every day that alter our perspective and stretch us out of our comfortable shapes. When those things happen, she responds in ways that sometimes explode my "pigeon-holed" idea of what she thinks or who she is. But one thing that I've seen... one thing that has been the touchstone of our days together and our hope for the future is love... not always, in fact very rarely, that soft-focused romantic feeling that movies do so well at portraying... most often it's the solidity of knowing that someone will always be "for" you... on your side... wishing for your best outcome.

Heidi is a giving, gifted, complex and super-intelligent woman. She can articulate her feelings and thoughts with passion... grow and tend plants and people with equal joy and care... build teams and lead them to complete complex tasks against insurmountable odds. She's an artist... a builder... a visionary... an accountant... a painter... stonemason... carpenter... auto mechanic... chef... tutor... healer... motivator... laugh leader... gentle critic... and so much more. She is goal oriented and tenacious... she'd have to be to stick with me ;-)

We started our relationship by just hanging out and accomplishing things together... 25 years later that's still our biggest joy. Meeting the challenges... and experiencing the adventure TOGETHER... is what has made each new day worth finishing.

I can't thank her, or my God, enough for what has flooded into my life and heart over the last 25 years. I can't be worthy of it... Like grace, each day has been a gift! My greedy heart wants every day to be more of that adventure, and is so glad for a friend and soul-mate who has made every step of the journey with me.

Here's to you, baby! I'd like another 25...

Wednesday, March 19, 2008

What about "Feeding the Flock"

 I re-read my post from Monday... It's Wednesday now, the "mellow middle" of the week, and I have to qualify my assertions a bit. I want to say that I'm not anti-shepherding as it relates to churches. I don't think that churches are evangelism machines... just dragging people who are far from God across the line of faith and running out to grab some more.

You've heard the quote...

"Some people want to live within the sound of chapel bells,
but I want to run a mission a yard from the gates of hell." - John Wesley

That resonates with me on many levels... but it's not fully how I'm wired. It's not exactly what my heart envisions.

I think "a yard from the gates of hell." is the best place to reach lost people, people far from God. It's also a great place to encounter people lost in the miasma of good intentions... (i.e. "the road to hell is paved with good intentions") You know them... people who say "I'm a good person... God will save me because he knows my heart and I'm really a good guy..."

Here's how I'd explain my passion... I'd like to run "the testimony/praise service in a converted dance-hall a yard and six inches from the gates of hell." As i envision it, when people on the road to hell are approaching the gates, they'll hear the excitement they might not be able to help but stop in and check it out. When they see themselves in the countless stories of "good people," who were grabbed only inches from disaster, they may just stay and listen. Over time they'll come to realize that there was only one "Good Person" and turn to the One that can save them like he saved those who came before them.

I know that's splitting hairs to some extent. Witnessing is always "one beggar telling another beggar where to find bread." I guess I'm just wired up to focus on the celebration when the "lost sheep comes home."

But I think of the parable of the lost sheep, and the lost coin... The shepherd LEFT THE SHEEP who were in the fold and sought the lost sheep. The woman thought of nothing else but that lost coin... she swept and searched... and searched and swept until she found it. She thought of nothing else until that coin was recovered. I see Christ, in these parables, revealing his priority for shepherds and for the kingdom of God.

Fishers of men... seekers of lost sheep... searchers for the lost coin... fathers of prodigals... people who "GO" into all the world... I find myself so drawn to them that I scarcely have a though for the guy who he left the sheep with... Or the son who stayed behind while the prodigal roamed and rioted.

Perhaps I'm adding my own bias to the back-story, but I don't see either the shepherd who stayed with the flock, or the son who stayed behind while his brother roamed, as feeling they had the plum job. But both were necessary for the story. There was continuity to be maintained... sheep to be fed and calves to be "fatted."

A few years ago I was involved in a church-based seeker ministry... We did a weekly service targeted toward people who might be "kicking the tires" on a relationship with God. We were offered an opportunity to take our ministry team to the UK as an example of what might work in churches there... But we were also committed to holding a service at home every week so that we'd always be there when a seeker might show up. This meant we needed to leave a team behind to carry on while we "went into all the world." We would have gone anyway... regardless of weather we had a second team or not... But we valued the team that filled our places while we were gone. That being said... I wouldn't have chosen to stay rather than to go. It would be like Indiana Jones only getting to teach... he's made for so much more than that.

Keith Green used to say "Jesus commands us to 'Go...' it should be the exception to stay..."

I guess what I find strange is that we seem to have an awesome opportunity in our culture right now to intersect and make a difference right from our churches, and many are reluctant to embrace it. People today are actively seeking God's touch and many are looking in the the logical or traditional places first... Churches. If you can't experience the presence of God in a church, where can you experience it.

Yet many churches are more tied to their traditions or their customs that they are to reaching out to the people that God is sending, or would send, through their doors if He thought they'd find a connection with Him there.

I really believe shepherding is important... sheep get restless, they bicker and bite each other... and shepherds are needed to maintain order. But sheep do far less fighting when they're on the move. They need to be LED as much as they need to be FED. Congregations do far less fighting, and are far less needy, when they have a mission and are working TOGETHER toward a goal.

Army commanders have far fewer morale and discipline problems when the troops are on a mission than they do while the army is encamped and awaiting their next move. Sheep interact better when they're walking than when they're grazing or in the pen.

It would seem that maybe churches would need far less "tending and feeding" when they are "on mission" as well.

The life-cycle of a christian is akin to the life-cycle of a human being... you're born helpless and need feeding and training... and your diapers changed. As you get older you start to take care of yourself until eventually you're producing children/disciples.

When I was a baby, my parents fed me... My dad did "the airplane" and brought the food swooping in for a landing in my gaping/waiting mouth. But as I grew older, I began to feed myself. He still provided the food but I did my own eating. Now that I'm an adult, he still asks me if I've eaten... but he assumes that I'll say "yes" because I'm a self-feeder. In fact, he has watched, with great pleasure, as I've fed my boys... enjoying the passing of the torch and regaling us with stories of when he fed me.

I think spiritual development is very similar. When we're new Christians we need to be fed. As we grow our spiritual mentors teach us to feed ourselves. As we reach maturity they watch us give birth to children... by leading others to Christ... and feed them until they can feed themselves. Mature Christians NEED to be "making and raising babies" not laying back and being fed. It's a part of THEIR development as much as it is a benefit to the new Christian.

It's a pathology for and adult to still need to be fed by their parent. When that happens it's because of an accident or medical/mental condition that has kept the child from developing. We would be uncomfortable seeing a 30-year-old being spoon-fed by his mom or dad. We expect mature individuals to take care of themselves.

Do you know anybody who is a mature adult, but still lives with their mother. it's sad isn't it? They never know the joy of building a relationship and a family... never experience the wonder of raising a child of their own. These stunted adults are rarely happy or fulfilled, and they are certainly not reaching their full potential. So it is with Christians who have stopped growing shortly after conversion. They're taking in the food of the faith, but never putting it into practice. Eventually they get to be like the 700 pound guy who can't get out of the house without a forklift... unwilling to move and unable to care for themselves or contribute to the good of the church.

Shepherding IS a noble calling... but when it becomes enabling instead of teaching... passive instead of leading... it damages the shepherd, the sheep and the sheepfold.

We'll always need people with gifts of mercy to come alongside hurting people, at whatever stage of maturity they're experiencing, and bear part of the burden for a season. But in a church where there are mature Christ-followers that doesn't need to be the main focus of ministry. Armies have doctors and chaplains, cooks and janitors... but the main focus is not the camp, it's THE MISSION. The community that built while we're "On the way" will take care of much of that aspect of shepherding.

People will give time, and talent... dollars and passion... to seeing another lost person come to Christ. But the longer the time-span between those "blessed events" the more the sheep grow restless and begin to bicker. They were made to make disciples and to feed others... not to be force-fed and entertained.

Let's feed the little ones.. and motivate the adults with a mission... namely seeing one more "lost guy" find His Savior.

Christ said "my sheep hear my voice..." and when I read the gospels I keep hearing Him say "Fish... seek... disciple... rescue those in darkness... bear much fruit..." I think I'm hearing him clearly.

I recently heard a pastor put it this way... "Our mission is to bring them in.. train them up... and send them out to do the same." I resonate with that... it keeps me focused and energized... I need brothers to keep me accountable and to "get my back" in tough spiritual struggles... I even need a hint on where to find bread quite often...

But I can feed myself, thanks.

What do you think? Let's hear opposing viewpoints or stories of your struggle... I'd love to spur some thought, evaluation and dialogue.



Here's what I'm reading today...

Monday, March 17, 2008

Do I Have To Be "Seeker Focused?"

I’m in a period of searching right now. I don’t think it’s mid-life crisis as such... (if it is I must be up for the Guinness World Record for the longest mid-life crisis... i’ve been in mine since 1972! :wink:) I think it’s just the way I’m "wired up"... a perpetual quest to give all that I can give in return for the blessing of being alive, and being accepted by Christ. As an amateur philosopher, I believe that the "WHY" informs, and likely even drives the "HOW" and the "WHAT." So I try to keep coming back and refreshing my understanding and vision of the "WHY."

I’ve been evaluating "what it’s all about... and why I’m here" issues recently and I’m discovering, albeit too slowly for my taste, what MY core values and motivations are.

I’ve been involved in music, mainly performing Christian music, for 37 years this month. About 20 years ago I finally discovered that it wasn’t so much music that I was enamored with, but worship... involving a congregation in seeking the "face of God." At about the same time I became aware that the only purpose for the church was to continue the work that Christ left us... to seek and save the lost and to make disciples of all who were becoming saved. To put that in a more modern vernacular is to say ’to help people, who are far from God, move closer to the true purpose they were created for... fellowship with their Creator."

I don’t have a bent toward evangelism in the traditional sense... where we try to convince others that the theology, or eschatology we’ve found is the "best or the only." But I am wired-up, at my core, to see people find their God connection and I am drawn to do all I can to get them started on that journey. I guess in that sense I am. at my core, seeker focused. But what does that mean?

I grew up in a denomination that was doctrine-centric and demanded strict conformity to their understanding of that doctrine... right down to the tiniest point.

In the denomination your heart was "your own business", but your behavior was EVERYBODY’S business. It was rigid, authoritarian, dictatorial and drove most of my generation far from the church. At the same time, the indoctrination in the denominational schools (which we all attended) reinforced the fact that to leave the denomination WAS to forsake God and the "special light" we’d been given. Consequently, when my peers discovered themselves worn out and broken from running up against the unscalable wall of "sinless perfection" many just jettisoned the whole deal and began to doubt the existence of a God who demanded what "no man could produce." Most of those who didn’t leave moved to a theology of choice where the hide their lives from their fellow church-members and put on the "Sabbath Face" when they’re together.

As I began to see this all play out, I realized that "Church" was a double-edged sword. It can so easily leave it’s reason for being (to be fishers of men, places of refuge and healing, and an environment to disciple "future fishermen") and travel along a continuum toward being self-focused and impotent. Instead of entering into and engaging culture like Christ did, they seek to create their own culture... insulated from the influences of "apostasy" around them.

The individuals in those churches look to their leaders for direction and permission to do what they themselves had been created for... to share Christ with a broken world as His disciple. They miss the joy of leading someone to Christ... the paid pastor does that. They miss the joy of baptizing their friends or their children... the paid pastor does that. When it reaches it’s logical conclusion, the only need the church has for the individual is to access them financially every week and to hope they create enough "new members" (kids) to keep the machine alive. That’s worst case, but there are some congregations that are desperately close to that end of the spectrum.



A couple weeks ago I had the honor of baptizing my oldest son. What a miraculous experience that was... To be that close to a great kid, who I’d spent more time with than with any other human being in my life, as he made his public stand for Christ.

It couldn’t have happened in my denomination of origin. I’m a music minister and team leader, but I’m not a pastor. Not ordained, not licensed, not credentialed in any way except that I’m a Christ follower and am called to the great commission. I’m called to go into the world and make disciples AND to baptize them... What Christ left me as his last instructions, most churches say I’m not qualified to do. What’s up with that?

I think that the hijacking of the great commission, with all it’s rights and privileges, by the clergy or denominations is the reason that our mission is in such a state of being misunderstood and overlooked. Christ asked us to go into all the world... we’ve been taught to give our money to missions so that missionaries can carry the gospel into the far corners of the earth. On the face of it that’s great, and shouldn’t be neglected... but isn’t my neighborhood part of the world. Foreign missions become a smoke-screen that separates us from the call to do the work of missions in our own town.

Engaging and attracting potential Christ-followers ourselves is a biblical concept. Jesus instructed the disciples to go to "Jerusalem, Judea... and to the uttermost parts of the earth." Notice he listed the city and state first! I’m beginning to realize that it could be because they’re our first priority!

I guess I’m slowly coming to the realization that the "church" as we know it is in danger of becoming an anachronism... "a tool without a function." It could be that this decline is because we’ve come through a period in time when institutions sought and maybe even demanded our loyalty. Over the last few decades we’ve seen countless institutions reward that loyalty with disenfranchisement, disinterest, and even abuse... the day of the institutional church is nearing an end.

Brace yourself for the expansion of the organic church...
The organic church is led by the common people...
The organic church involves ALL believers in ministry,
according to their gifting and passion...
The organic church is outwardly focused... Not a Christian club or theme-park!
The organic church is seeker targeted...
The organic church is not afraid of pain, or risk, or fun...
The organic church is made up of active participants... Not bystanders or patrons.
Tho organic church is focused on mission...
to bring people far from God into relationship and service to God.

I’ve tried it both ways...
I've been in situations where we said "we’re going to do what we do... focus on our flock and any outsiders are welcome to participate if they find their way here..."
I've also been a part of movements where we’ve said "our main thing is to be ’Fishers of Men... baiting our hooks to attract people who don’t know God yet’ and we’ll put all our efforts into doing that authentically and vigorously. He’ll grow us and our community along the way."

My bottom line...
As for me and my house, we wouldn’t give another dime or a moment of our time for the first, but we’d give everything we have and are for the latter.

I guess I "HAVE TO BE" seeker focused... it’s the only thing that gives me the impetus, focus, joy and energy for service!

Tell me where your heart is or what you think... Does any of that resonate with you?